Palestine is losing. And losing very badly. Israel is winning. And winning spectacularly. The strange characteristics of our times is a veritable transvaluation of values. Those who clamor for justice cannot even see that justice is now so far beyond the pale that drastic measures are necessary. Of course, when it comes to voicing much needed drastic measures, every single justice warrior remains silent.
Re the colonial settler-colonial-genocidal projects of e.g. Americas and Australasia, which I agree - ‘worked’ - BUT these were all pre-iron age societies. Basic historical materialism: no Western imperialist power has successfully decimated a post-Iron aged civilisation… subjugated them (temporarily)… for sure. Absolutely. But not disappeared them. And so Israel is really the last historical example of them yet to be defeated. But defeated it will be. In Algeria, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Russia (vs Generalplan Ost), Angola, Namibia, China/Korea vs (USA enabled) Japan, etc… all successfully resisted genocidal projects. And so, in Gaza… *what* evacuation? Oh you mean *the starvation* of Gaza? Well, they tried that in over and over again in the aforementioned places. It ain’t gunna work in Palestine either. This is asymmetric warfare! Where you do see the IOF videos of Quds’ fighters dead bodies? Nowhere! They are simply are not being killed (in significant numbers). Their underground network remains fully in tact. You say that the axis of resistance has no ‘real’ state backing - yet it has the backing of BRICS: South Africa for lawfare, Iran in material (come on we know that *for sure*), and almost certainly Russia (if not now, then soon) via its forward ops in Syria, and standing behind them - indirectly, of course - is the most advanced industrial power on earth, the workshop of the world, anti-imperialist *in its the bones* and dedicated (no longer biding time), the PRC. Meanwhile, USA maintains the form of its global hegemony without its content. USD dominance is built on a mountain of paper money, and the largest national debt in human history (completely impossible to ever repay). Its whole economic model is based on skimming and graft (hence collapsing bridges, derailing trains, etc.). Its colonial, overstretched military is has been defeated by near-peers (Russia), and even many non-peers (Afghanistan). It’s subsidiary empires are being thrown out of their historic strongholds (the French in Africa, the CFA is doomed too). Even in its own backyard it cannot dislodge its anti-imperialist stalwarts, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela. And now Haiti, long the most brutal modern expression of the Columbian Age, is broiling (and US plans to blackwash its intervention using supine Kenyan death squads has fallen flat on its face). It’s true that the Empire Fights Back in Argentina (though the mass uprisings on the streets these past days may put paid to Melei), and the ISIS terror squads can still sow death and destruction, and so can their terror networks destroy Russian (Nordstream) and BRI infrastructure (Myanmar). But as I said, this is a war of attrition, a global WW3 already well under way. And Israel, the Anglo-American settler-colonial project of securing West Asia, is but a tiny part of it. But make no mistake, the Columbian Age is ending. Sooner we Westerners face that, and force our elites to retire gracefully, the better our kids’ lives will be.
Well I don't want to sound too dismissive because you seem like a good Comrade. But what you are describing is 500 years of decimation followed by an inevitable Palestinian victory. Yes, I guess that is possible. If the Al Quds fighters are alive but the entire human population is wiped out, that doesn't count as victory to me. Your caveat (civilians don't count) is a very strange one. And Palestine will win because it is post-iron age??? That doesn't sound like convincing material analysis to me. Material analysis begins with seeing reality first. A lot of Comrades get lost in theory and history to avoid facing the obvious: the good side is getting walloped. Of course Palestinians will still exist, just like native Americans. But a Palestinian state? Not in our lifetimes. This is the third nakba with no silver lining: 1948, 1967, 2024. Maybe there will be a few more, but the Palestinians won't win if the Arabs keep losing. That makes no sense.
In a war it is usual to talk of how military forces are facing off against each other, and their respective societies’/states’ abilities to sustain their military forces. This is what I’ve done in my comments. I’ve not mentioned the incredible, terrible planned destruction of Gazan civilians because its tragedy goes without saying. How many Algerians were genocided as the French were thrown out? How many Malaysians? How many Vietnamese? A people don’t survive through numbers, but through resistance to breaking - by not being destroyed. The point about post-iron aged societies is that they’ve never been destroyed by modern (capitalist, Western) imperialism - its not an iron law of dialectical materialism, for sure but it shows that the material basis of resistance is important. I’m sure we can both agree on the heroic stoicism of Palestinian resistance. You think i fail to ‘see reality’. But what of Alastair Crooke, retired middle east diplomat, spook and all round fixer. If anyone sees reality clearly it is he - self-exiled in Lebanon and no axe to grind, no agenda to push except for the truth. I think your framing dismisses aspects of reality, that I’ve diligently laid bare here. You’ve not actually addressed those arguments.
You’re looking through the distortion reality field that is Western media. To win, Hamas just have to survive. And Hamas have not only been surviving but thriving - very very few casualties (civilians don’t count). To win, Israel has to re-establish security around Gaza, in its cities and in the occupied territories - the whole north remains evacuated, for example. Israel/Palestine isn’t big, about the size of Wales with double the populations density. 100ks of Israeli’s have fled abroad already. It will take time but by the end of this the rest will evacuate to US, UK, France etc. The axis of resistance only need continue waging cheap, effective warfare, creating instability that the Israeli psyche simply cannot handle.
Sorry. I accidentally erased your last comment! I was trying to edit mine. I am very inept about these things.
The evacuation of Gaza is permanent. The evacuation of Israel is temporary. Let's see indeed who wins. And yes, I am looking at it in the same manner of all previous Western conquests. Israel is doing in Palestine what Canada, Australia, USA did in their respective lands. If you can't fight back, you lose forever. That is what is happening now. But please continue hoping for Palestinian victory. I am too, but I am also not willing to deny reality.
Right I mean Escobar champions a multipolar world. I've made the correction now. Thanks!
The point of the post (which you certainly don't have to agree with) is that the idea that Hamas is winning is TOTALLY absurd. If that's what winning looks like, I'd hate to see what losing looks like.
Playing a long game war of attrition is also something Israel is much more suited to play and win. The so-called axis of resistance is too fractured with no real state backing.
If Israel is on its way out, where do you think it will go exactly? You expect it to disappear? To sit down and carve out a two-state peace agreement? Even if they do, do you think Israel will ever honor it? It will be Oslo all over again. Remember Oslo? Israel has waged a 30+ year war of attrition against that agreement and won. Oslo is dead.
Re the colonial settler-colonial-genocidal projects of e.g. Americas and Australasia, which I agree - ‘worked’ - BUT these were all pre-iron age societies. Basic historical materialism: no Western imperialist power has successfully decimated a post-Iron aged civilisation… subjugated them (temporarily)… for sure. Absolutely. But not disappeared them. And so Israel is really the last historical example of them yet to be defeated. But defeated it will be. In Algeria, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Russia (vs Generalplan Ost), Angola, Namibia, China/Korea vs (USA enabled) Japan, etc… all successfully resisted genocidal projects. And so, in Gaza… *what* evacuation? Oh you mean *the starvation* of Gaza? Well, they tried that in over and over again in the aforementioned places. It ain’t gunna work in Palestine either. This is asymmetric warfare! Where you do see the IOF videos of Quds’ fighters dead bodies? Nowhere! They are simply are not being killed (in significant numbers). Their underground network remains fully in tact. You say that the axis of resistance has no ‘real’ state backing - yet it has the backing of BRICS: South Africa for lawfare, Iran in material (come on we know that *for sure*), and almost certainly Russia (if not now, then soon) via its forward ops in Syria, and standing behind them - indirectly, of course - is the most advanced industrial power on earth, the workshop of the world, anti-imperialist *in its the bones* and dedicated (no longer biding time), the PRC. Meanwhile, USA maintains the form of its global hegemony without its content. USD dominance is built on a mountain of paper money, and the largest national debt in human history (completely impossible to ever repay). Its whole economic model is based on skimming and graft (hence collapsing bridges, derailing trains, etc.). Its colonial, overstretched military is has been defeated by near-peers (Russia), and even many non-peers (Afghanistan). It’s subsidiary empires are being thrown out of their historic strongholds (the French in Africa, the CFA is doomed too). Even in its own backyard it cannot dislodge its anti-imperialist stalwarts, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela. And now Haiti, long the most brutal modern expression of the Columbian Age, is broiling (and US plans to blackwash its intervention using supine Kenyan death squads has fallen flat on its face). It’s true that the Empire Fights Back in Argentina (though the mass uprisings on the streets these past days may put paid to Melei), and the ISIS terror squads can still sow death and destruction, and so can their terror networks destroy Russian (Nordstream) and BRI infrastructure (Myanmar). But as I said, this is a war of attrition, a global WW3 already well under way. And Israel, the Anglo-American settler-colonial project of securing West Asia, is but a tiny part of it. But make no mistake, the Columbian Age is ending. Sooner we Westerners face that, and force our elites to retire gracefully, the better our kids’ lives will be.
Well I don't want to sound too dismissive because you seem like a good Comrade. But what you are describing is 500 years of decimation followed by an inevitable Palestinian victory. Yes, I guess that is possible. If the Al Quds fighters are alive but the entire human population is wiped out, that doesn't count as victory to me. Your caveat (civilians don't count) is a very strange one. And Palestine will win because it is post-iron age??? That doesn't sound like convincing material analysis to me. Material analysis begins with seeing reality first. A lot of Comrades get lost in theory and history to avoid facing the obvious: the good side is getting walloped. Of course Palestinians will still exist, just like native Americans. But a Palestinian state? Not in our lifetimes. This is the third nakba with no silver lining: 1948, 1967, 2024. Maybe there will be a few more, but the Palestinians won't win if the Arabs keep losing. That makes no sense.
In a war it is usual to talk of how military forces are facing off against each other, and their respective societies’/states’ abilities to sustain their military forces. This is what I’ve done in my comments. I’ve not mentioned the incredible, terrible planned destruction of Gazan civilians because its tragedy goes without saying. How many Algerians were genocided as the French were thrown out? How many Malaysians? How many Vietnamese? A people don’t survive through numbers, but through resistance to breaking - by not being destroyed. The point about post-iron aged societies is that they’ve never been destroyed by modern (capitalist, Western) imperialism - its not an iron law of dialectical materialism, for sure but it shows that the material basis of resistance is important. I’m sure we can both agree on the heroic stoicism of Palestinian resistance. You think i fail to ‘see reality’. But what of Alastair Crooke, retired middle east diplomat, spook and all round fixer. If anyone sees reality clearly it is he - self-exiled in Lebanon and no axe to grind, no agenda to push except for the truth. I think your framing dismisses aspects of reality, that I’ve diligently laid bare here. You’ve not actually addressed those arguments.
You’re looking through the distortion reality field that is Western media. To win, Hamas just have to survive. And Hamas have not only been surviving but thriving - very very few casualties (civilians don’t count). To win, Israel has to re-establish security around Gaza, in its cities and in the occupied territories - the whole north remains evacuated, for example. Israel/Palestine isn’t big, about the size of Wales with double the populations density. 100ks of Israeli’s have fled abroad already. It will take time but by the end of this the rest will evacuate to US, UK, France etc. The axis of resistance only need continue waging cheap, effective warfare, creating instability that the Israeli psyche simply cannot handle.
Sorry. I accidentally erased your last comment! I was trying to edit mine. I am very inept about these things.
The evacuation of Gaza is permanent. The evacuation of Israel is temporary. Let's see indeed who wins. And yes, I am looking at it in the same manner of all previous Western conquests. Israel is doing in Palestine what Canada, Australia, USA did in their respective lands. If you can't fight back, you lose forever. That is what is happening now. But please continue hoping for Palestinian victory. I am too, but I am also not willing to deny reality.
Right I mean Escobar champions a multipolar world. I've made the correction now. Thanks!
The point of the post (which you certainly don't have to agree with) is that the idea that Hamas is winning is TOTALLY absurd. If that's what winning looks like, I'd hate to see what losing looks like.
Playing a long game war of attrition is also something Israel is much more suited to play and win. The so-called axis of resistance is too fractured with no real state backing.
If Israel is on its way out, where do you think it will go exactly? You expect it to disappear? To sit down and carve out a two-state peace agreement? Even if they do, do you think Israel will ever honor it? It will be Oslo all over again. Remember Oslo? Israel has waged a 30+ year war of attrition against that agreement and won. Oslo is dead.
Hope you are right about colonial powers losing.
Hope you are right.